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Post by Burt on Nov 7, 2008 5:30:13 GMT -5
Gang,
Are you guys reading all this stuff about lead bullets in the deer meat? They say if you shoot a deer with lead it can spread fragments 18" from the wound. Don't let kids under 6 or pregnant woman eat any of the venison. What about copper top bullets? What is everyone's opinion on this, I would love the feedback. I have a 4 and a 9 year old that love the stuff. I shoot the copper top slugs but I think they still have some lead in them. Just one study was done and they are pulling all the donated venison off the shelves in, I believe Minnesota.
Thoughts on this?
Thanks,
Burt
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Post by BuckShotJon1 on Nov 7, 2008 8:25:42 GMT -5
1. If you are saved by Christ makes no diferance when you die. You'd be all set with a home in Heaven.
2. Sounds like liberal propaganda to me. I don't see droves of grown men that deer hunted all there lives dieing now becuase of lead bullets. Same story with lead paint. Could it be a scare tactic by the left?
To answer your question though if you are worried about it Remington (and most likely others) makes a 100% copper sabot slug. - Remington Copper Solids. They are sabots so you woulod need a riffled bbl, a better combination that old foster type slugs anyway. I have guns that use both lead and sabots, I also will be hunting with a 44 this year that is semi lead.
I have seen lead slugs splinter on rare occasion in a deer. Out of the plus 70 deer I have shot in my hunting over the last 15 years I can think of 2 where the lead splintered off in other parts. Both occasions were because of hitting bone. I found all the lead and took it out.
So will lead birdshot be next? I have always thought the environmental left wingers would try to make lead 100% outlawed. Everything else is more expensive.
I'm not worried about it though....but if it is that concerning to you then i would suggest a fully rifled bbl with copper solid slugs. They also have 100% weight retention. I have never seen a petal fall off from them. They expand to twice the original size. They are way more accuarte that a old lead slug. They cost on sale about $9.00 a box vs. old leads you could get for about $3-4 on sale.
My wife is pregnant as we speak. I have three girls in the house as well. I plan to feed them all the deer we get this year where it is from the Rem 870 with copper solids or the Rem 1100 that uses older foster slugs.
Jon
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Post by Burt on Nov 7, 2008 9:55:45 GMT -5
It makes a difference to me when I die, I want to be around for a while!
Jon, Yes I use the copper solids they are pretty good. My feelings the same, all these years the lead slugs were used and I didn't hear any problems. This isn't the left or a scare tactic, the research was done by a university.
Burt
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Post by BuckShotJon1 on Nov 7, 2008 10:57:11 GMT -5
Burt,
Yes I do not want to die at this point as well, Deer gun season opens in 2 weeks. ;D I joked to my wife last night and said oh dear God let me live another 2 weeks for this year, I made it this close to another gun season let me live .... ;D
Seriously though, no I would not walk into a highway and plan to get run over by a semi because I know if I die I am going to Heaven...that would be...simply put... dumb.... I just know that when I do die I am covered. Jesus has Saved me. The Bible says the Number 1 commandment is " to go ye into all the world and spread the gospel" That is my commandment from Dear God as the Number 1 thing to do. So I do it as much as I can...Just doing what Jesus has said to do, and honestly I am happy to be a Christian, I am spreading the joy. I make no apologies for that. God is great.
On the Lead... we all know lead is harmful. I would never disagree with that. I really wonder though how bad it could be from a bullet passing through. Chances are I am going to die from something else than a deer slug hole though, just my thought.
On Universities and leanings.....many lean left, some lean right. Just like polling companies. It is at least possible that the data was put forth with that in mind..... but before I say anyone uneducated on the topic, what source are you reading from ?
Jon
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Post by Burt on Nov 7, 2008 12:57:49 GMT -5
Jon, I am also a Christian, I know we are covered by God and he has a plan for all of us. I thank him every day, especially when I'm up that tree stand able to hunt one of his great creatures! On the lead story I first read it in Outdoor News and Yesterday it was on CNN. www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/11/05/venison.lead.ap/index.htmlCheck it out. |
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Post by BuckShotJon1 on Nov 7, 2008 13:43:25 GMT -5
Burt,
Glad that you are a Chrisitian. Always great to know when another name is written down in glory.
That's a interesting article. It was completed by Government sources. The CDC has generally been non-partisian in what they research. One must give some credence to the study. Looks like a issue similiar to fish in NY. Grown men ok to eat but women and children must be restricted because of the amount of toxins in them. It sure is interesting, I wonder if the study is considering pass through shots or just those shots that break and flake away in the meat?
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Post by BuckShotJon1 on Nov 7, 2008 13:46:13 GMT -5
Burt,
one other thing. I passed some links on to you before regarding Charlie Alsheimer. Charlie is also a Christian. He has a book out there titled along the lines (i can't remember exactly the title) called "Life from a Deer Stand" I thought of it when you said "i thank him when I am up in the stand". This book is based on the hunter that looks at life from a Christian Hunter perspective. I would recommend it to you and to all. It's a great book.
Jon
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Post by joel on Nov 7, 2008 14:33:52 GMT -5
that test was done by a guy whos worried about falcons.he had a definate agenda other test have been done and they say your safe just trim away all damaged meat and to make cuts instead of grinds..best to process on your own,outdoor life or field and stream just did a big story on this.and the book your talking about"a look at lifr from a deer stand " was written by steve chapman,and yes its a good book
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Post by zemmer18 on Nov 7, 2008 14:48:00 GMT -5
Saw another thread on Archerytalk about carbon arrows. This is another instrument that can cause issues in the meat. A bowhunter shot a buck with a damaged carbon arrow that must've had a slight crack in it somewhere. Well the arrow splintered and all these small carbon fibers were strewn about the meat. This can cause serious health issues as well, so for all of you carbon arrow slingers, be sure to inspect your arrows for cracks before going afield. I can't find the post to link to but it can happen.
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Post by BuckShotJon1 on Nov 7, 2008 15:01:06 GMT -5
Never heard about the Carbon Arrow thing....
Joel, One curious thing to me is that it was on CNN. CNN is by far the most liberal news talk channel, I did not see any mention of this on fox news....none the less it is a interesting topic...
Thanks on pointing out that book was wrote by Stephen Chapman you are correct, Charlie did not write that..... Sorry about that guys, I just admire Charlie a bunch....
PS Nov 8th is tomarrow, this is the weekend I think the activity is going to go way up! Good luck!
Jon
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Post by Burt on Nov 7, 2008 15:15:36 GMT -5
I will look it up, it sounds like a great read. I was looking for something new to read.
Thanks Jon
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Post by joel on Nov 7, 2008 21:17:50 GMT -5
just trying to help i like charlie too.i heard that carbon arrow thing as well..you have to be carefull if they break off inside the deer ,the splinters can cut ya up like broadheads
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Post by Burt on Nov 8, 2008 10:47:55 GMT -5
Thanks joel, never thought of that.
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Post by joel on Nov 8, 2008 20:26:06 GMT -5
Counterpoint: CDC Study Says Lead Ammo OK
Posted by DDH Staff
A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) study on human lead levels of hunters in North Dakota has confirmed what hunters throughout the world have known for hundreds of years: consuming game harvested with traditional ammunition poses absolutely no health risk to people, including children, and that the call to ban lead ammunition was and remains a scare tactic being pushed by anti-hunting groups to forward their political agenda.
Today, additional information became available about the CDC study, originally released yesterday, that is important to disseminate to hunters, their families and the general public about the total and complete lack of any evidence of a human health risk from consuming game harvested using traditional ammunition.
For instance, in the study the average lead level of the hunters tested was lower than that of the average American.
In the CDC's study, children's lead levels had a mean of just 0.88 micrograms per deciliter, which is less than half the national average for children and an infinitesimally small fraction of the level that the CDC considers to be of concern for children (10 micrograms per deciliter).
Yet, despite the total and complete lack of any evidence from this study of the existence of a human health risk, the Department of Health nevertheless urges that children under 6 and pregnant women not eat venison harvested using traditional ammunition.
The North Dakota Department of Health's recommendation is based on a "zero tolerance" approach to the issue of blood lead levels that is not supported by science or the CDC's guidelines.
To further put in perspective the claims concerning the safety of game harvested using traditional ammunition, consider this statement from the Iowa Department of Public Health (IDPH) -- a state agency that has conducted an extensive panel of blood-lead testing for more than 15 years: "IDPH maintains that if lead in venison were a serious health risk, it would likely have surfaced within extensive blood-lead testing since 1992 with 500,000 youth under 6 and 25,000 adults having been screened." It has not.
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Post by Burt on Nov 8, 2008 21:45:34 GMT -5
joel,
that is good news! Imagine the world without the internet not being able to spread the word,
Thanks joel
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